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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Newbies plea for help
Date: 19 Jun 2000 13:40:49 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu
In article <6gp35.9023$DH3.25973@news1.eburwd1.vic.optushome.com.au>,
Rob Teasdale <robannie@nobloodyspamoptushome.com.au> wrote:
: I am trying to sort out the amount of information out there on Kermit to
: help me a program that I am working on. At the moment I am telneting to a
: patent search engine.
:
Is this a public service? What's the IP address?
: On connection the server informs me that the host
: setting is 8 bits - Kermit protocol. The search engine has its own query
: language and will not allow any other commands not specified. I can connect
: fine and run all commands. I cannot understand then why they would use
: Kermit as the protocol. I am presuming that Kermit sits on top of telnet
: and provides enhanced features.
:
Yes: file transfer.
: Please feel free to let me know if I am way
: off track. The component that I am using works fine but I feel that the use
: of Kermit at their end is deliberate. The thing is I can download the
: patents OK, and the component that I have written is a simple client socket
: on port23 with no added functionality to support Kermit.
:
It depends on what you mean by "download". Downloading material over a
Telnet connection without a file transfer protocol is done by client-end
methods like screen capture or session logging. This is not quite the same
thing as file transfer. Even though Telnet might provide an error-free
connection, you still have issues of file delimitation, record format, and
character set, which are addressed by real file-transfer protocols such as
Kermit (and FTP, Zmodem, etc).
In particular, if you needed to download a batch of files (i.e. more than
one at a time), this could be quite difficult without a file-transfer
protocol. Uploading can be problematic too, for the same reasons.
- Frank